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Digital downloads fail to offset decline in CD sales.

I'd be interested to have this chart qualified further with revenue stats. for live concerts, though.

Is the decline in sales of recorded music more to do with content than format?

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s M i l e <(Address removed)> said:

Is the decline in sales of recorded music more to do with content than
format?

I would guess content isn't the problem, but who knows. It would be interesting to see units-sold rather than revenue.

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Bob Licious <(Address removed)> said:

s M i l e <(Address removed)> said:

Is the decline in sales of recorded music more to do with content than
format?

I would guess content isn't the problem, but who knows. It would be
interesting to see units-sold rather than revenue.

It's a pretty chart but are they saying vinyl was more or less dead by 1989? Regardless of all that, would love to see the unit sales flooding in from the US iTunes music store right now.

UK situation is along similar lines though by the looks of it http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/digital-music-sales-fail-to-offset-piracy-losses-2177091.html

Basically I'm still a bit peeved about the amount of money I ploughed into the music industry for sub-standard B sides and album tracks during the 90s!

DJ

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D J <(Address removed)> said:

Bob Licious <(Address removed)> said:

s M i l e <(Address removed)> said:

Is the decline in sales of recorded music more to do with content than
format?

I would guess content isn't the problem, but who knows. It would be
interesting to see units-sold rather than revenue.

It's a pretty chart but are they saying vinyl was more or less dead by 1989?
Regardless of all that, would love to see the unit sales flooding in from the US iTunes music store right now.

UK situation is along similar lines though by the looks of it
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/digital-music-sales-fail-to-offset-piracy-losses-2177091.html

Basically I'm still a bit peeved about the amount of money I ploughed into the music industry for sub-standard B sides and album tracks during the 90s!

DJ

This is the first year out of the last 30 that I haven't bought vinyl, but it is only February...

I can't bring myself to pay for digital downloads - I require something tangible when I part with cash 

However I still purchase a lot of music in the form of CD compilations. For me that's where value-for-money is maximised; per track it's cheaper than digital downloads, I'm not paying cash to Apple Corp. when I'd rather it went to smaller labels, distributers and, most of all, the artists themselves

In terms of the music industry itself - live show revenues are astronomical; that chart really needed and overlay of global concert revenues, but since it's the RIAA's data and they need to keep up the 'we have to sue the kiddies' pretense, I wouldn't expect them to be honest with the presentation of statistics.

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D J <(Address removed)> said:

It's a pretty chart but are they saying vinyl was more or less dead by
1989?

Hmm, looking at the chart again it seems obvious they should bring back tapes. Look how lucrative they were!!!

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s M i l e <(Address removed)> said:

For me that's where value-for-money is maximised; per track it's cheaper
than digital downloads, I'm not paying cash to Apple Corp. when I'd
rather it went to smaller labels, distributers and, most of all, the
artists themselves

You'll appreciate this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/18/jobs_tax_fugs_lastfm/

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D J <(Address removed)> said:

Bob Licious <(Address removed)> said:

s M i l e <(Address removed)> said:

Is the decline in sales of recorded music more to do with content than
format?

I would guess content isn't the problem, but who knows. It would be
interesting to see units-sold rather than revenue.

It's a pretty chart but are they saying vinyl was more or less dead by 1989?
Regardless of all that, would love to see the unit sales flooding in from the US iTunes music store right now.

UK situation is along similar lines though by the looks of it
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/digital-music-sales-fail-to-offset-piracy-losses-2177091.html

Basically I'm still a bit peeved about the amount of money I ploughed into the music industry for sub-standard B sides and album tracks during the 90s!

DJ

DJ said:

>It's a pretty chart but are they saying vinyl was more or less dead by 1989?

It looks like stats for album sales as opposed to 12" vinyl singles which undoubtedly had their best period in terms of sales in the decade following 1990

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Bob Licious <(Address removed)> said:

s M i l e <(Address removed)> said:

For me that's where value-for-money is maximised; per track it's cheaper
than digital downloads, I'm not paying cash to Apple Corp. when I'd
rather it went to smaller labels, distributers and, most of all, the
artists themselves

You'll appreciate this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/18/jobs_tax_fugs_lastfm/

Something's rotten - Apple Corp. finds itself in the cross-hairs of US regulators again.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704657704576150350669475800.html?mod=rss_whats_news_technology

Apple should just get honest and add the tag-line 'Do Evil' to its corporate logo.

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s M i l e <(Address removed)> said:

Apple should just get honest and add the tag-line 'Do Evil' to its
corporate logo.

Everyone gather in the square outside Apple HQ!

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Bob Licious <(Address removed)> said:

s M i l e <(Address removed)> said:

Apple should just get honest and add the tag-line 'Do Evil' to its
corporate logo.

Everyone gather in the square outside Apple HQ!


never thought id see the day people here were slagging of apple youll all be worshipping at the microsoft altar next

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Everyone gather in the square outside Apple HQ!

er.. can you please calm it with the anti apple incitement... what about dell? ... or playstation ? ... or even amstrad ffs?

please go and wag your finger outside some other "evil monsters" corporate hq you fuckwit hippeh liberals.

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In terms of the music industry itself - live show revenues are
astronomical;

not sure what you mean here... assume it isnt referring to some kind of fantasy gravy train ... as for the massive majority of artists live show revenues are difficlut to come by and take a lot of hard work etc etc.

although, talking about cool live shows that will make money, check this out :)

<if you are in the slightest bit interested in hip hop this is unmissable and nice value imho>

Mean Fiddler in association with Garden Grown Ent & Bey 1618 Trading present Science Of Speech featuring Blackstar feat Mos Def and Talib Kweli + De La Soul + Rakim + guests

A tantalising bill of Hip Hop Royality.

Rising from the thinking artist's anti violence brand of 'conscious rap with a soulful vibe', the bill for this once-in-a-lifetime show is a roll call of hip hop's finest ever and most intelligent talent. These universally respected artists share the stage to take us on a journey through hits that are lyrically and musically still streets ahead of anything out there today. The songs are as relevant now as ithey were back in the day, and this show promises to deliver a timely reminder of Hip Hop's ability to show the possibility of a better world.

Black Star's Mos Def and Talib Kweli reunite in the UK for the first time since 1999 for one night only. De La Soul brings its snappy brand of old skool cool to the fore and Rakim - widely respected as one of the best rappers of all time - completes the line-up for this exclusive show. Unmissable.

Under 15's must be accompanied by an adult

http://www.hmvtickets.co/events/2134

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Bob Licious <(Address removed)> said:

D J <(Address removed)> said:

It's a pretty chart but are they saying vinyl was more or less dead by
1989?

Hmm, looking at the chart again it seems obvious they should bring back tapes. Look how lucrative they were!!!

8-track was only half the size of digital. bring it back!

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<more graphs... which seem to tell a story>

The History of Recording Industry Sales, 1973-2010

The following shipment figures are from the RIAA, dating back to 1973.  The first shows album unit sales across four formats: 8-tracks, vinyl, CDs, and digital albums.  The second shows singles across four formats: CD-singles, cassette singles (or 'cassingles'), vinyl singles, and digital singles.  US specific.

<----snip---->   

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/stories/021711disruption#Cz92GW6pEMkxbGh3sGFwzA

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<even more graphs! .... this one seems to show that singles do better than albums .. and "others" are making a sales impact>

http://www.imperialleisure.com/blog/real-death-music-industry

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On 18 February 2011 09:57, s M i l e <(Address removed)> wrote:

I can't bring myself to pay for digital downloads - I require something tangible when I part with cash


I'm sorta the opposite. Went into Rough Trade t'other day and just couldn't bring myself to pay £10 for a CD. I wish they'd sell mp3s instore.
l e, MP3
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simon green <(Address removed)> said:

Everyone gather in the square outside Apple HQ!

er.. can you please calm it with the anti apple incitement... what about dell? ... or playstation ? ... or even amstrad ffs?

please go and wag your finger outside some other "evil monsters" corporate hq you fuckwit hippeh liberals.

 

Bollox. Even the mainstream press are reporting hacked off Apple fanbwoys

'Is this the start of a Mac-lash?

That Apple makes money from apps is not news. But it's the way it works that has hacked off fanboys and disenchanted developers. Ian Burrell examines how loyalty has been tested to the limit'

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/features/is-this-the-start-of-a-maclash-2220593.html

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Kirsty C said:

"I'm sorta the opposite. Went into Rough Trade t'other day and just couldn't bring myself to pay £10 for a CD. I wish they'd sell mp3s instore."

Even though the only time I use the CD is to pop it into the cupholder to import into iTunes, I still want the CD. Maybe I just like being able to stick it on the shelf after to see my collection still growing...

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I can't bring myself to pay for digital downloads - I require something
tangible when I part with cash

same as that... cd's .. i cant fooking stand cd's either i have always detested them.

<he said proudly>

infact ... i have NEVER bought an mp3 in my life :)

</he said proudly>

and... i dont have many mp3's.. only the stuff producers and chums send me as demos etc... however, i do have heaps of dj mixes on my hard drive. (for easy convenient laptop through sound system type listening).. also .. i listen a lot to online streaming stuff (podcasts and links to broadcast shows etc)

broadly, when it comes to music consumerism and shopping.. i'm still buying and playing vinyl (second hand and new - mostly from discogs) for domestic use and occasional dj slots.

hmmm vinyl... i will always buy it :)

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<changing the subject a bit - if anyone has any interesting on line streaming links etc - pls hola them up>

for example, one of my recent favs is spine tv (a fine, fine "cultural" web site) .. it has a "radio" section with some very cool music (especially, if you like beats and groove - np ig culture xmas special)

http://www.spinetv.net/radio/

also .. i listen a lot to online streaming stuff (podcasts and links
to broadcast shows etc)

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