UK-Dance Digest 4532 - Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:00:00 GMT

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:00:00 GMT
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Contents:

    Re: enormous pencils of love
        "rob" <(Address removed)>
    brandy and coke
        Doug Fisher <(Address removed)>
    Flight Cases
        "Nic Larsen" <(Address removed)>
    Re: (No title)
        "Tim.E.Waster" <(Address removed)>
    Re: Flight Cases
        "Tom Churchill" <(Address removed)>
    Re: Flight Cases
        "Tom Churchill" <(Address removed)>
    RE:white crap
        (Address removed)
    Re: Flight Cases
        "Nic Larsen" <(Address removed)>
    Plaid
        "Nic Larsen" <(Address removed)>
    bitsnbobs
        "Paranoid about my paranoia" <(Address removed)>
    Re: white crap
        "A Bhattacharyya" <(Address removed)>
    Re: Plaid
        "rob" <(Address removed)>
    Would the real spin doctor please stand up
        "tWiSt" <(Address removed)>
    Re: hyperdub
        "MGH" <(Address removed)>
    What's the word for media impersonating media?
        chris <(Address removed)>
    smallfish @ headstart - 24/03/01
        "Nic Larsen" <(Address removed)>
    re: hyperdub
        chris <(Address removed)>
    Craid David Rendevouz Remix
        "old dirty baxta" <(Address removed)>
    Re: What's the word for media impersonating media?
        "bonus" <(Address removed)>
    re: flight cases
        "disco dave" <(Address removed)>
    Re: What's the word for media impersonating media?
        "MGH" <(Address removed)>
    drum stool
        "ABH" <(Address removed)>
    Re: Craid David Rendevouz Remix
        "alice" <(Address removed)>
    Re: drum stool
        "alice" <(Address removed)>
    Re: Craid David Rendevouz Remix
        "Paranoid about my paranoia" <(Address removed)>
    Re: drum stool
        "Tom Churchill" <(Address removed)>
    Re: Would the real spin doctor please stand up
        "A Bhattacharyya" <(Address removed)>
    The day I hear.....
        "Paranoid about my paranoia" <(Address removed)>
    Re: drum fool
        "ABH" <(Address removed)>
    Re: Craid David Rendevouz Remix
        Richard Lee <(Address removed)>
    Uncut Interview with LemonD & Dillinja
        "Hyperdub Kru" <(Address removed)>
    one more cheeky one
        Tom Churchill <(Address removed)>
    yet one more cheeky plug
        "Hyperdub Kru" <(Address removed)>

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:29:01 GMT
From: "rob" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: enormous pencils of love

"djing, Paul, is much like making love to a beautiful woman.  first
you've gotta check your needle for any fluff that's built-up thru over use..."

um, ok, i'll stop now.




rob

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:09:22 -0000
From: Doug Fisher <(Address removed)>
Subject: brandy and coke

> "Rebranding Uk garage: The Dreem Teem"

I read this - sounded to me like it was written by someone who's cheesed off
cos they keep getting jibbed by bouncers on the door

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:13:21 GMT
From: "Nic Larsen" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Flight Cases

A classic uk-d question for Friday morning...

Who know's a good place to buy new or second-hand flight cases (not just
for decks) in London, or by mail order?

thanks,
Nic
www.symetrik.demon.co.uk

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:25:13 GMT
From: "Tim.E.Waster" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: (No title)

Paranoid about my paranoia <(Address removed)> wrote:
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Very subliminal Para - I like it :)

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:12:18 GMT
From: "Tom Churchill" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: Flight Cases

Nic Larsen <(Address removed)> wrote:
> Who know's a good place to buy new or second-hand flight cases
> (not just for decks) in London, or by mail order?

Check:

http://www.spider-engineering.co.uk/

Cheers,

Tom

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:13:38 GMT
From: "Tom Churchill" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: Flight Cases

I wrote:
> http://www.spider-engineering.co.uk/

And don't be put off by the photos of the staff! :)

Cheers,

Tom

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:16:05 -0800
From: (Address removed)
Subject: RE:white crap

PHile
>>
I'm sorry, I think you'll find Eminem's been completely co-opted by the
power elite. He's a little dancing puppet that's making the man money,
and will be completely burnt out in a couple of years.
<<

a couple of years? he'll be lucky if he lasts another year.
RE:the article itself, interesting in a flatulent sort o' way, didn't agree
though. this is about twentieth frikkin article I've read defending/justifying
eminim and I've yet to find one clear argument.
this is where I lost all real interest...
''Eminem detests the PR bullshit and empty managerialist rhetoric of spin
culture just as much as Cobain did, but unlike Cobain, he has realised
that the dominant culture's dissimulations are best undermined not by the
pursuit of some 'real truth', but by the positive occupation of simulation''
the first part is clearly wrong, I've read enough about Mr Mathers to
know the above attitude is actually the work of great PR, expertly
designed to feed disenchanted teenage kids seeking rebellion and the so
called 'educated' people like the writer of this piece.
whats that phrase about an onion?

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:19:46 GMT
From: "Nic Larsen" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: Flight Cases

Tom Churchill <(Address removed)> wrote:
> I wrote:
> > http://www.spider-engineering.co.uk/

awsome site, thanks Tom.

> And don't be put off by the photos of the staff! :)

Having met the Focusrite crew, I don't scare so easily these days.. ;P)

cheers,
Nic

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:36:42 GMT
From: "Nic Larsen" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Plaid

I know this has been out a while now, but the Plaid - Trainer CD on Warp
is essential listenning for most, if not everyone.. currently rocking me
through a dull-as-f**k Friday at work.

Saw Ed from Plaid a couple of weeks ago (name dropper!) and the word is
that they're working on a new album to be released on Warp soon..

But if you haven't got the Trainer Double CD/LP, then go get it (it's
listed on the Warp site) www.warprecords.com

cheers,
Nic

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:04:22 -0000
From: "Paranoid about my paranoia" <(Address removed)>
Subject: bitsnbobs

Anyone else not getting the digests? - Stevie Boy?

Not that I've been but Hard To Find probably make their dough from their
record shop in Brum which is the usual Perfecto release for 4 squid type
place.

And check out http://www.yearzero.org
An example of how you can be political and make sense at the same time,
certain people should try it some time. (slagmode on)
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:22:42 GMT
From: "A Bhattacharyya" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: white crap

Simon H: >> interesting in a flatulent sort o' way, didn't agree
though. this is about twentieth frikkin article I've read
defending/justifying eminim and I've yet to find one clear argument. <<

My thoughts exactly. Mind you, you've gotta hand Dr Mark De'Rozario
points for sheer chutzpah - I don't think anyone's tried "Eminem
is the new Mark E Smith" as a defence before. The slight flaw in this
thesis is that MES is a poetic genius and Eminem, errm, isn't.

/// >b<

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:34:50 GMT
From: "rob" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: Plaid

Nic:

> Saw Ed from Plaid a couple of weeks ago (name dropper!) and the word is
> that they're working on a new album to be released on Warp soon..

Plaid's new album, "Double Figure", is apparently gonna be released on
28th May.  there's an mp3 of one of the new tracks, "Squance", in the
news section on the Warp website (http://www.warprecords.com).  check it
out... it's looking good for the new lp!



rob

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:59:22 GMT
From: "tWiSt" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Would the real spin doctor please stand up

Bat-

>The slight flaw in this
>thesis is that MES is a poetic genius and Eminem, errm, isn't.

I disagree. He's a poetic genius of the highest order... all the best
poets are those who are understandable, accessible, and good story
tellers... Mathers without a doubt easily fits in all three categories.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not his greatest fan or anything, but there's no
disputing the poetic content of tracks like Stan and The Real Slim Shady.

I agreed with the article in the main. To say he's 'shocking', or
anything is 'shocking' these days is a joke. Media manipulation guides all
acts of rebellion - everything is simply done to shift more units. The
only people that may be shocked by Mathers/Mansons/Whoevers antics these
days are 70 year old middle-class grandmas. What's really shocking
people ain't his antics, but his ability to manipulate the media for his
own use like that article says - but like the Dr says, that in itself
ain't nothing new  either.

tWiSt

PS. What's the word for media impersonating media? ie. Simpsons ripping
Star Wars, Spaced ripping the Matrix, etc.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:10:52 GMT
From: "MGH" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: hyperdub

A Bhattacharyya <(Address removed)> wrote:
> Tim: >> What's not to agree with? <<
>
> The logical conclusion of
> bourgeoisification is not PC, it's the ritual denunciation of PC.

No, if it's anything (logical conclusion - huh? show me your working)
it's the ritual denunciation of the denunciation of PC. What has PC
culture ever produced that is positive, interesting or relevant to the
daily experience of anyone outside the mealy-mouthed, oleagenous,
self-inmportant political class? Fuck it dead.

>Take
> a look at the Guardian letters page these days - you'll be hard-pressed
> to find a single 1970s-style Cultural Studies lecturer wittering on
> about the oppressed.

Great, they're probably doing time for kiddy-fiddling or have jobs in
public relations firms.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:16:42 +0000
From: chris <(Address removed)>
Subject: What's the word for media impersonating media?

dunno, but it's definitely part of the post modern mashup isn't it?

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:18:34 GMT
From: "Nic Larsen" <(Address removed)>
Subject: smallfish @ headstart - 24/03/01

smallfish @ headstart - 24/03/01

smallfish crew are playing headstart @ turnmills this saturday (24th).

Line-up as follows;

Headstart Room
Frankie Bones
Keith Tenniswood
Dan & Jon Kahuna
Carl Clarke

Smallfish Room
Baby Ford
Tube-Jerk LIVE
Lee Grainge
Jurgen Junker
Mike Oliver
Billy Bongo

Visuals: RealityCheck

http://www.turnmills.co.uk/turnmills/clubs/headstartindex.htm

Looks wicked doesn't it!?

Aprently there's limited space on the Smallfish guest list so email
Mike: (Address removed) or Lee: (Address removed) and they might be
able to sort you out.  Tell 'em I sent ya.

cheers,
Nic
www.kult.co.uk

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:27:19 +0000
From: chris <(Address removed)>
Subject: re: hyperdub

MGH:
>
No, if it's anything (logical conclusion - huh? show me your working)
it's the ritual denunciation of the denunciation of PC. What has PC
culture ever produced that is positive, interesting or relevant to the
daily experience of anyone outside the mealy-mouthed, oleagenous,
self-inmportant political class? Fuck it dead.
<

amen to that. pro-pc and non-pc are stupid distractions. one extreme is
loony leftism, the other is loaded magazine. both wrong, imo.


b:
> a look at the Guardian letters page these days - you'll be hard-pressed
> to find a single 1970s-style Cultural Studies lecturer wittering on
> about the oppressed.

just look at the guardian full stop. we can do better! the lifestyle
supplements on saturday make me vomit. jaques peretti's bile is the best
bit!

MGH:
>
Great, they're probably doing time for kiddy-fiddling or have jobs in
public relations firms.
<

aye! or appearing in the beardy illustrations for 'joy of sex'!

or hanging out on mailing lists, shouting down anyone not interested in
intellectual masturbation or the "radical" new dance craze called 2-step

=P


(stir stir, well it *is* friday)

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:32:27 GMT
From: "old dirty baxta" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Craid David Rendevouz Remix

Who produced the remix of the Rendevouz
track? The one with the "onka-onka-onk!"
noise and beeps. Tis truly bloody wikid.

i.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:43:13 GMT
From: "bonus" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: What's the word for media impersonating media?

ukd,

chris <(Address removed)> wrote:
> dunno, but it's definitely part of the post modern mashup isn't it?

I dunno if there's a word, but I wouldn't say it's a post-modern
phenomena - cartoons have been doing it for years.

Cheers, bonus.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:45:28 -0000
From: "disco dave" <(Address removed)>
Subject: re: flight cases

> > http://www.spider-engineering.co.uk/

awsome site, thanks Tom.

 > And don't be put off by the photos of the staff! :)

i would let that Nigel re-enforce my box any day of the week

disco dave
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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:48:59 GMT
From: "MGH" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: What's the word for media impersonating media?

bonus <(Address removed)> wrote:
> chris <(Address removed)> wrote:
> > dunno, but it's definitely part of the post modern mashup isn't it?
>
> I dunno if there's a word, but I wouldn't say it's a post-modern
> phenomena - cartoons have been doing it for years.

It's just the inevitable consequence of living in a world where
reproducible mass media, humour and a market for their combinations
exist. Spoof? Reference? Homage? Old as the hills innit.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:05:54 GMT
From: "ABH" <(Address removed)>
Subject: drum stool

does anyone in london, have a drum stool they want to sell for a cheap
price, by any chance?

ali

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:06:25 GMT
From: "alice" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: Craid David Rendevouz Remix

old dirty baxta <(Address removed)> wrote:
> Who produced the remix of the Rendevouz
> track? The one with the "onka-onka-onk!"
> noise and beeps. Tis truly bloody wikid.

blackstreet? thats what it says in 'now' magazine anyway.

(yes, i am now so removed from the underground i get my spotting
information from 'now' magazine. shut it.)

and it would make sense, what with blackstreet being kings of the 'onka
onka onk'. well, no diggety was more 'doinka doinka doink', i suppose.
but whatever, theyre still kings of it.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:07:36 GMT
From: "alice" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: drum stool

ABH <(Address removed)> wrote:
> does anyone in london, have a drum stool they want to sell for a cheap
> price, by any chance?

huh huh. huh huh huh huh. she said 'stool'. huh huh huh. huh. huh huh.


my god, im pathetic sometimes.

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:18:35 -0000
From: "Paranoid about my paranoia" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: Craid David Rendevouz Remix

old dirty baxta <(Address removed)> wrote:

>Who produced the remix of the Rendevouz
>track? The one with the "onka-onka-onk!"
>noise and beeps. Tis truly bloody wikid.

Rooney

>blackstreet? thats what it says in 'now' magazine anyway.

It's some dude called Blacksmith according to Napster, was he in
Blackstreet?

>what with blackstreet being kings of the 'onka onka onk'

I thought Dre was the cultural pillager behind the joanna.

On a similar note I saw a sketch from E4 (that's the new entertainment
channel from Channel 4 with new Ally McBeal and Friends) where some bloke is
dressed up as him and wandering about Leeds in comedy stylings.  Quite funny
if you find the idea of Mr Boink having repeated bladder problems.



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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:19:44 GMT
From: "Tom Churchill" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: drum stool

ABH <(Address removed)> wrote:
> does anyone in london, have a drum stool they want to sell for a
> cheap price, by any chance?

That reminds me of an old muso joke - what's got three legs and a
<insert offensive word for female genitalia of your choice>? a drum stool...

Cheers,

Tom

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:21:31 GMT
From: "A Bhattacharyya" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: Would the real spin doctor please stand up

tWiSt: >> there's no disputing the poetic content of tracks like
Stan and The Real Slim Shady. <<

I'm not disputing that there's poetic content there, I'm disputing
the notion that Eminem is even remotely in the same league as MES.
Story-telling, accessibility, popularity etc are all very well but
they are neither necessary nor sufficient conditions for genius.
What MES does with language is in a completely different order to
Eminem in terms of originality, vision and sheer visceral impact.

>> I agreed with the article in the main. To say he's 'shocking', or
anything is 'shocking' these days is a joke. Media manipulation
guides all acts of rebellion - everything is simply done to shift
more units. <<

Are we talking about the same article here? The one I read claimed
that Eminem /is/ somehow fighting-the-power-of-the-strata (maaan).

/// >b<

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:35:03 -0000
From: "Paranoid about my paranoia" <(Address removed)>
Subject: The day I hear.....

Eminem rap about

"Parliment connives a diseased access company
There's nothing much I can do about this
So I drink in recline with an acquaintance, sound"

or

"How dare you assume I want to parlez-vous with you?
You Gretchen Franklin nosey matron thing"

Then he's a lyrical genius, and I quite like his tunes for the first 4000
times I hear them.



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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:58:16 GMT
From: "ABH" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: drum fool

Tom Churchill <(Address removed)> wrote:

 what's got three legs and a
> <insert offensive word for female genitalia of your choice>? a drum stool...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom

what did the drummer get on his IQ test






saliva

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:57:48 +0000
From: Richard Lee <(Address removed)>
Subject: Re: Craid David Rendevouz Remix

i:

>Who produced the remix of the Rendevouz
>track? The one with the "onka-onka-onk!"
>noise and beeps. Tis truly bloody wikid.

Is it the 2-Step mix?  if so then it was remixed by the mighty Sunship,
easily one of the best 2-Step producers out there, his beats are tighter
than a nats chuff.

Roo

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:19:29 GMT
From: "Hyperdub Kru" <(Address removed)>
Subject: Uncut Interview with LemonD & Dillinja

Southside Bass Pressure: Uncut Interview with LemonD & Dillinja
http://www.hyperdub.com/softwar/valve.cfm


www.hyperdub.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:24:40 +0000
From: Tom Churchill <(Address removed)>
Subject: one more cheeky one

last plug...

H e a d a n c e r
@ Jaego, Rivington Street, Shoreditch, London
Saturday March 24
2000 - 0200, FREE
DJs: Simon Green, Hillegonda, Tom Churchill
Deep house, broken beat, leftfield grooves...

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Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:33:02 GMT
From: "Hyperdub Kru" <(Address removed)>
Subject: yet one more cheeky plug

> last plug...
>
> Hyperdub 130
> @ Bug Bar, Brixton, London
> Saturday March 24
> 2100 - 0300
Free before 9, £4 before 11, £6 after 11

> DJs: kode9, Dirty Sanchez, Soulform, Spice Lee
> Dark'n'warm 2step, Deep House, Broken Beats, Electro

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